01Problem
The at-fault driver’s insurer can offer the policy limit, call it a “full and final” settlement, and never say the number is the cap. In the October 2026 Virginia garage thread the $25,000 figure matches Virginia’s property-damage minimum (Va. Code § 46.2-472 for policies on or after Jan 1, 2025) — not the old 25/50/20 BI floor, and not the current 50/100 BI minimum. Your own insurer’s subrogation comes out of the same limit. A full release can wipe BI, UIM, and the right to pursue the driver personally, while leaving medical liens unpaid.
02Intake
- Police report, photos, repair estimates, medical bills, lost wages, running total of PD + BI + uninsured losses.
- Written offer, any release, every check (front and back).
- Your declarations: collision deductible, rental, MedPay, UM/UIM (stacked?), BI liability limits.
- At-fault insurer, claim number, named insured, any limits statement already given.
- Whether collision, health, or MedPay has paid, and any subrogation/reimbursement letter or ERISA plan language.
- Crash state, at-fault policy state, policy effective date (minimums follow the policy date, not the crash date); umbrella, extra vehicles, assets.
03Playbook
- 01
Decode the three numbers. Liability is BI per person / BI per accident / PD per accident (e.g. 25/50/25). Per-person BI is the most for one injured person. Per-accident BI is the cap for everyone, still subject to the per-person cap. PD is a separate cap. They do not share a pot unless combined-single-limit. MedPay and PIP are first-party on the injured person’s own policy, not the at-fault driver’s BI.
- 02
Do not guess the limit from the offer. A number that matches the state minimum is a tell, not proof. Florida § 627.4137: within 30 days of written request, a liability insurer must provide a statement under oath of a corporate officer, claims manager, or superintendent: insurer name; each insured; limits; any coverage defense reasonably believed available; a copy of the policy — including excess or umbrella. Ask in writing everywhere; in Florida, cite 627.4137.
- 03
Look up the state minimum for the at-fault policy’s effective date, then confirm on the actual policy. III’s table is still “as of December 2023” and is stale on 2025–2026 increases. Overlay (see State variation): VA 50/100/25 (on/after Jan 1, 2025) — the garage-thread $25k is the PD number; CA 30/60/15; NC 50/100/50; NJ Standard 35/70/25; HI 40/80/20; FL no compulsory BI, $10,000 PD + $10,000 PIP. Always use crash-state statute + policy effective date.
- 04
Stack every policy that might pay. Personal auto + household policies + umbrella/excess + employer auto if course-and-scope + garagekeepers if a shop had possession. Florida 627.4137 includes umbrella in the sworn statement. Signing a primary-only release while an umbrella sits unused is a permanent loss.
- 05
Split PD from BI before anyone drafts a release. A PD-only release names the vehicle/VIN and reserves BI, UM/UIM, MedPay, and PIP. A “full and final release of all claims” on a $25,000 PD check can extinguish a later fracture and UIM. UCC § 3-311 can turn a “full and final” check into accord-and-satisfaction even without a separate release.
- 06
Subrogation hits the same limit. If collision already paid $20,000 and PD is $25,000, that $20,000 is not extra — your carrier takes it back from the same $25,000. Net new money = limit − other claimants − collision subrogation − health-plan reimbursement − liens. The 680-upvote Reddit comment is doctrinally correct.
- 07
Made-whole is the default — until the contract says otherwise. Majority common law: the insurer does not take subrogation until the insured is whole (including deductible). Policy clauses and ERISA plan documents can contract around it. ERISA self-funded: US Airways v. McCutchen, 569 U.S. 88 (2013) — plan terms govern; made-whole cannot override clear reimbursement language. If the plan is silent on fees, common-fund is the default (McCutchen facts: $110,000 recovery, 40% fees, $66,000 net; plan had paid $66,866). Read the SPD and the plan document.
- 08
UM/UIM is often the real policy. UM pays when the at-fault driver has no (or not enough) BI. UIM pays the gap (difference-in-limits vs excess — read the form). VA UM is mandatory and cannot be reduced below liability; HI UM is included unless rejected in writing. A tortfeasor release that destroys the UIM carrier’s subrogation is a classic UIM denial. Get written consent to settle before releasing the driver.
- 09
Liens sit on the BI money. Hospital liens, Medicare/Medicaid, and ERISA reimbursement can consume a minimum-limits tender. Made-whole sometimes works against hospital liens and insured plans; it generally fails against a clear ERISA clause. Condition the release on written lien reductions.
- 10
A full release is dangerous when: treatment is incomplete; PD exceeds the PD limit; multiple injured people share one per-accident cap; an umbrella is undisclosed; UIM has not consented; a health plan or hospital has an open lien; the check is “full and final” on a disputed amount. Safer: a policy-limits release naming covered parties, limited to those limits, reserving UIM, conditioned on a sworn no-other-coverage affidavit, unsigned until liens are reduced.
- 11
Collectability is a separate question. Minimum-limits driver + no umbrella + no assets = the BI/PD limit is the money, plus your UM/UIM, collision, MedPay/PIP, and health. Do not burn UIM. House equity, a commercial policy, or an employer is a reason to investigate — not a reason to sign in 48 hours.
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Your first-party file is separate (skill 1). Collision pays regardless of the other driver’s PD limit (minus deductible), then subrogates. Do not delay collision waiting on a $10,000 or $25,000 third-party tender.
04Checklists
At-fault policy-limit and subrogation explainer
- Damages totaled: PD, BI, rental, deductible, uninsured items
- At-fault policy effective date and crash state identified
- State minimum looked up for that effective date, then confirmed on a sworn disclosure or declarations
- Written limits request sent (Florida: 627.4137, 30 days, under oath, include umbrella)
- Umbrella / employer / additional vehicles asked about
- PD and BI split; no full release while treatment is open
- Collision / MedPay / health payments listed; subrogation against the same limit computed
- Health-plan SPD and plan document read (McCutchen if ERISA)
- UIM consent-to-settle in writing before any tortfeasor release
- Liens inventoried; reduction letters sent
- “Full and final” refused on a disputed amount
- Own first-party collision/UM/UIM file opened in parallel
05Questions to ask
- Q01
“State in writing the per-person BI, per-accident BI, and PD limits on every policy, including excess and umbrella, and attach a copy. This is a request under Fla. Stat. § 627.4137 [or the crash-state analogue].”
- Q02
“Is $[offer] the full PD limit, the full BI limit, or something else? If less than limits, what is held back and why?”
- Q03
“Name every insured and every additional policy, including household, employer, and umbrella.”
- Q04
“Will you issue a PD-only release that reserves all BI, UM/UIM, MedPay, and PIP claims?”
- Q05
“Reissue this check without ‘full and final’ language (UCC § 3-311).”
- Q06
“Has any other claimant made a claim against these same limits?”
- Q07
“To my UIM carrier: do you consent in writing to settle for $[limit] and waive any consent-to-settle defense?”
- Q08
“To my health plan: quote the reimbursement clause, state whether you assert made-whole, and state the dollar amount you claim.”
06Red flags
Offer equals the state PD or BI minimum and the adjuster “implies” it is limits without saying so
48-hour deadline on a release
Single release covering “all claims, known and unknown,” while you are still in treatment
Check payable to you and your collision carrier and the hospital, with no lien-reduction agreement
UIM carrier not copied on the settlement
ERISA plan demanding 100% reimbursement from a minimum-limits recovery that does not make you whole
Florida insurer ignoring a written 627.4137 request past 30 days, or “we don’t disclose limits until you make a demand”
Multiple injured people, one per-accident cap, and a release that does not allocate
07Scripts
Under Fla. Stat. § 627.4137, demand is made that within 30 days you provide a statement under oath of a corporate officer, claims manager, or superintendent, for each known policy including excess or umbrella: (a) insurer name; (b) each insured; (c) liability limits; (d) any coverage defense you reasonably believe is available; (e) a copy of the policy. Forward to all affected insurers. Claimant: [name]. DOL: [date]. Claim: [number]. At-fault insured: [name]. Location: [county].
I received your offer of $[amount] and a release of “all claims.” PD estimates total $[PD]. I will consider a PD-only release limited to [VIN/structure], conditioned on: (1) written confirmation that $[amount] is the full PD limit on every policy, including umbrella; (2) a reissued check with no “full and final” language (UCC § 3-311); (3) my UIM carrier’s written consent; (4) express reservation of all BI, UM/UIM, MedPay, and PIP claims. I will not sign a general release while treatment is open.
To UIM carrier, claim [number]: the at-fault carrier tendered $[limit]. I request written consent to settle and waiver of any consent-to-settle defense. Damages exceed the tender (enclosed). Respond within [14] days. To [health plan]: you paid $[amount]. Send the plan document and SPD reimbursement clause. If ERISA self-funded, McCutchen, 569 U.S. 88 (2013), makes plan text controlling; if silent on fees, common-fund reduces your claim. If made-whole applies, I am not whole: damages $[total], recovery $[limit]. State the dollar amount you assert.
08Tools
Callable over MCP once connected. Your agent passes the inputs and gets structured results back.
limits_stack_net_to_you_calculatorLimits-stack / net-to-you calculator- Allocates bodily-injury limits across injured people (per-person cap, then pro rata by damages under the per-accident cap), nets property damage against collision subrogation, subtracts fees and liens (full lien vs common-fund reduced), and computes UIM in reduction vs excess forms.
state_minimum_limits_lookupState-minimum lookup with effective-date overlay- Returns the state minimum auto liability limits the skill documents (VA, CA, NC, NJ Standard, HI, FL) with effective dates; for other states it points to the III table.
release_language_checkerRelease-language checker- Flags risky phrases in a pasted settlement release or check legend (all claims known and unknown, BI waiver on a PD check, UIM impairment, UCC 3-311 legends) and returns the PD-only reservation language to request.
09Formulas & rules
- How to read 50/100/25. One person: BI $50,000. Two people: combined BI $100,000, still ≤ $50,000 each. PD $25,000 separate. Worked (VA garage, post-Jan 1, 2025 policy): PD $25,000; repairs $83,000; collision already paid $20,000. Third-party PD = $25,000. Collision subrogation = $20,000. Net new PD to the owner = $5,000. Remaining ~$58,000 is uncollectible from that PD policy unless there is an umbrella or assets.
- Florida 627.4137. Request received Day 0; sworn statement due Day 30. Worked: mailed Oct 1, received Oct 3 → due Nov 2.
- Multiple claimants. 25/50/25 policy; three injured with $40k / $30k / $20k. Per-person $25k each would be $75k, but per-accident cap is $50,000, typically pro rata ($40k/$90k × $50k = $22,222; $30k → $16,667; $20k → $11,111) unless a first settler takes $25,000.
- McCutchen. Plan paid $66,866. Recovery $110,000. Fee 40% = $44,000. Client net $66,000. Plan demanded $66,866. Holding: plan terms control made-whole; common-fund fills a silence on fees.
- UIM difference-in-limits. UIM = max(0, your UIM − at-fault BI), subject to damages. Worked: UIM $100,000; at-fault BI $25,000; damages $180,000 → $75,000 in a reduction state; excess form may pay up to $100,000 on top (still capped by damages). Read the form. Do not cash a “full and final” check (UCC 3-311).
10State variation
- Virginia 50/100/25 for policies effective on or after Jan 1, 2025 (Va. Code § 46.2-472(B); VA DMV page current Oct 29, 2026). 2022–2024 policies 30/60/20. Pre-2022 25/50/20 is history. The $500 uninsured-motorist-vehicle fee ended July 1, 2024.
- California 30/60/15 Jan 1, 2025. North Carolina 50/100/50 July 1, 2025. New Jersey Standard 35/70/25 Jan 1, 2026 (N.J.S.A. § 39:6A-3; DOBI Bulletin 25-06); Basic policy remains a $5,000 PD product with optional BI. Hawaii 40/80/20 Jan 1, 2026 (Act 138 of 2024; DCCA Insurance Division FAQ).
- Florida still has no compulsory BI; $10,000 PD + $10,000 PIP. 627.4137 unchanged as a 30-day sworn-limits statute.
- III table at table-archive/21211 is labeled “as of December 2023” and still listed CA 15/30/5, HI 20/40/10, NJ 25/50/25, NC 30/60/25, VA 25/50/20 — do not quote those rows as 2026 law.
- Made-whole remains majority common law for ordinary insurance subrogation; ERISA McCutchen (2013) is unchanged and still the self-funded health-plan rule.
11Community tactics
- Ask whether the full-release figure is the policy limit because it matches Virginia minimum coverage — Verified, with a correction. The $25,000 is Virginia’s PD minimum for policies on/after Jan 1, 2025, not BI 50/100. Source: Va. Code § 46.2-472; VA DMV.
- Account for your own insurer’s subrogation against the same limit — Verified. The 680-upvote comment is right on the math.
- Ask for the limit in writing — Verified. Best practice everywhere; mandatory in Florida within 30 days under § 627.4137 (sworn, includes umbrella and a copy of the policy).
- last30days flagged this skill as below 5 community tactics.
12Fact-check notes
- last30days cited only the r/legaladvice thread. No CFPB, FMCSA, PA PID, NBC News, or ProPublica URL.
- VA DMV https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/insurance-requirements — WORKS. Supports 50/100/25 on/after Jan 1, 2025 and 30/60/20 for 2022–2024.
- Fla. Stat. § 627.4137 — WORKS. 30-day sworn disclosure including umbrella and a copy of the policy.
- McCutchen, 569 U.S. 88 (2013) — Cornell LII works. III table https://www.iii.org/table-archive/21211 works but is stale (Dec 2023).
- Dropped: treating the Reddit $25k as a BI 25/50/20 leftover; dropped unverified vendor “average underinsured” stats.
13Tools to implement
Show the tool specifications
- Limits-stack / net-to-you calculator. Inputs: BI per person/accident, PD, umbrella, injured-person count, itemized damages, collision/MedPay/health paid, fee %, ERISA waiver Y/N. Logic: allocate BI subject to both caps; subtract subrogation and liens; apply made-whole or McCutchen. Source: Fla. Stat. § 627.4137 https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2026/627.4137.
- State-minimum lookup with effective-date overlay. Inputs: crash state, policy effective date. Logic: III table (Dec 2023) https://www.iii.org/table-archive/21211 plus VA 50/100/25, CA 30/60/15, NC 50/100/50, NJ Standard 35/70/25, HI 40/80/20, FL $10k PD+$10k PIP. Confirm: https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/insurance-requirements ; https://cca.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Auto-Minimum-Limits-FAQs.pdf.
- Release-language checker. Inputs: pasted release. Logic: flag “all claims known and unknown,” BI waiver on a PD check, UIM impairment, UCC 3-311 legends. Output: PD-only / limits-only rewrite.
14Sources
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- 05US Airways, Inc. v. McCutchen, 569 U.S. 88 (2013)law.cornell.edu
ERISA reimbursement; plan terms control; common-fund as default on fees
- 06Automobile Financial Responsibility Limits By Stateiii.org
III, as of December 2023 (stale on 2025–26 increases)
- 07Hawaiʻi Auto Insurance Minimum Limits FAQcca.hawaii.gov
Hawaii DCCA Insurance Division, Jan 2026 (40/80/20)
- 08N.J.S.A. § 39:6A-3njleg.state.nj.us
New Jersey Standard policy 35/70/25 on or after Jan 1, 2026 (P.L. 2022, c. 87)
Demand evidence r/legaladvice drunk-driver garage thread (2,127 pts): $25k full-release offer at ~30% of repairs; u/ektap12 (1,595 upvotes) “Is that their policy limit? Because that’s minimum coverage in VA”; Demand 50 = F2 × P5 × S5